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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 326

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for the 17th of january 20th 2015.

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i nearly said 2014 2015 richard saunders

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here with you from sydney australia

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which i think just melted off the map oh

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wow

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36 in the city today i think i was

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downtown as it happened downtown sydney

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today doing some work

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in a business suit

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but i'm back home now to do the skeptic

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zone coming up on this week's show we're

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going to kick off with

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the raw skeptic heidi robertson and i am

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delighted to say

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heidi is officially our new reporter on

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the skeptic zone welcome aboard heidi

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so far unofficially you've been giving

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us some great reports and what a report

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we have this week from heidi she visited

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what we call a mind body wallet or a wu

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fest or alternative fest call it what

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you want

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up in bangalore right up in northern new

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south wales the heartland

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of the anti-vaxxers and what an

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interesting report it is heidi

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describes what she finds at this

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festival and then she's very courageous

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she actually stands up for science

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uh you'll hear all about it coming up

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with the raw

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skeptic report and uh

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well done heidi there's a lot of

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personal stuff in there heidi

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um wow you're really sort of laying

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yourself out there all in the name of

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science following that it's a week in

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science from the royal institution of

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and then to round off the episode

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maynard's spooky action part two part

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two of maynard's interview with michael

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marshall and michael marshall was the

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guest of the australian skeptics at the

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recent convention

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part two part one was last week part two

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this week

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now before we get into the show a quick

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update on the sherry ten penny

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we're not sure if she's coming or not

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most venues she was slated to appear at

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have cancelled the talk

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this is a very good thing

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and the flying monkeys have been

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screeching about free speech and these

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people want to

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uh stop your your freedom to listen and

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all the all the rest of it well no

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sherry tampani can

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spout her nonsense as much as she likes

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but as i said on last week's show we

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have the right here or venues have the

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right here not to have her appear

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and spout her nonsense it's a very good

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more updates as they come to hand over

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the next couple of weeks

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and some news from our friends at the

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canberra skeptics

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the future of science with professor

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brian schmidt thursday the 19th of

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february 2015 from 6 p.m until 7 30 p.m

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at questacon which is at the national

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science and technology center

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and the admission is free not to be

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missed not to be missed an evening with

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brian schmidt and you can find out more

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information and get your free tickets at

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canberraskeptics.com

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2015 schmidt or just go to

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well that's enough from me at the moment

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i'm going to run downstairs and have a

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nice bucket full of ice

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with ice for dessert

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yes folks it's that warm in sydney

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australia while i'm enjoying my ice

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it's the raw skeptic report

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hi everyone

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last week bangalore in northern new

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south wales hosted the starlight

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festival this festival ran for three

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days and included stalls talks

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and quote-unquote sacred spaces for

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tarot readings psychics healers of

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various descriptions workshops yoga

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chanting reiki shamanic journeys crystal

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i thought i'd pop in for a couple of

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hours to soak up the atmosphere and have

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a chat to some of the stall holders

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after listening to michael marshall's

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talk at the australian national skeptics

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he talked about politely interacting

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with people about their alternative

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beliefs in an effort to understand them

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i wanted to try out his approach

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i'd been to several mind bodies spirit

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events in sydney and brisbane over the

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years however that was during the time i

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subscribed to much of it myself

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as i chatted to the various stall

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holders and listened to them talking

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i found myself internally questioning

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each claim and each comment they made

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that previously i would have accepted

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i'd been under the illusion that if a

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person had a flashy looking website

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business cards banners etc they must

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have something legitimate to offer yep i

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a tad naive i walked into the hall

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feeling like i had a big fat skeptic

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sign on my forehead

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i felt paranoid

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i had no idea how to now interact with

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people who had products and services i

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does one straight out say one is a

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does one pretend to be a true believer

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i must say i've always valued honesty in

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myself and others and i didn't want to

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falsely misrepresent myself

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but i didn't want to immediately put

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people on the defensive either

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so i had no clear idea of any specific

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tactic i was going to use i sat in the

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middle of all the activity for a while

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i just needed to jump in and see what

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so i started some conversations

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based on how it was going it became

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clear pretty quickly what approach might

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some when i asked some probing

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and when i said that i may not agree

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with them but was nevertheless

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interested in what they had to say

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they thought it was bloody marvelous

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overwhelmingly what i picked up from

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these conversations was a common thread

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that science doesn't know everything

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out and out mocked and ridiculed

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for sticking to the scientific method

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which does not allow for intuition and

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i also heard when i asked where the

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evidence was for a particular claim that

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followed sometimes by a direction to the

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testimonials page of that particular

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some while ridiculing science then

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i found that the science they pointed to

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was dubious to say the least

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one i talked with

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was both a tarot card reader and

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creative play deep bonding work frank

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they also offered psychic readings and

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i asked if i could have a psychic

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reading but unfortunately for me they

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were all booked out that day

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another stall offered personalized

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artworks depicting an image of the

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which could either be human or animal in

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reading given at a spiritualist church

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years later i was preparing to go to my

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first platform appearance and as i gazed

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at this image of orpheus i had channeled

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for myself i suddenly had the aha moment

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that this was the spirit that had come

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thank you for your patience with me

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orpheus i am honored to help in your

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work helping people to connect with

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their own spiritual guides

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lady as she was busy with an artwork at

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the next door holders were also very

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the first thing i noticed were a variety

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of dowsing or water divining rods on the

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there was a banner behind them which

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this kind of blew my mind and i thought

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well i really wanted to know more

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dowsing rods were not only for finding

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positive and negative energy fields and

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that they could advise on how to find

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property for the family to inhabit

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i asked that hypothetically if two of

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there was a bit of an awkward silence

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the answer finally emerged that it

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probably come up with the more accurate

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had been passed down through generations

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they also said that science had

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confirmed that water defining worked

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masaro emoto was presented as the

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irrefutable scientific proof

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that both homeopathy and water dividing

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are legitimate

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if you remember omoto was the japanese

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author and entrepreneur that believed

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his experiments showed that human

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emotion could alter water's physical

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structure

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i had to resist pointing them to james

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randy and dick smith's experiments on

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the accuracy of water diviners if you

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haven't seen it and you're interested

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search for james randy in australia on

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youtube

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i'd never heard of biogenetic balance

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before

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it's described in their brochure as

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energy healing and associated therapies

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in the most basic form as practice

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throughout the ages

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we are practitioners using energy to

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interpret and assist in aligning

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imbalance or maintaining optimum

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wellness via distance healing

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that works on a physical

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mental emotional and spiritual level

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they provide a service involving them

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constructing towers which are

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located on the earth's magnetic energy

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lines and act as a conductor by

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transmitting subtle energy from the

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outer atmosphere through to ground

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during the daylight hours balancing the

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soil

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at night towers transmit to the

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atmosphere balancing the air above to

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match the soil below

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they claim that the benefits of this

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service include but are not limited to

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plant growth and harvest the health of

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people and livestock

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farm profitability

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reductions in plant mortality reductions

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in pest damage

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no more need for chemical sprays

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soil ph levels remaining neutral

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and improved

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drainage perhaps the most extraordinary

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claim of these two was that they could

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heal a horse by way of administering

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chiropractic adjustments mentally

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anywhere nationally or

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internationally how i asked

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they answered that the owner of the

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horse just needs to write down the name

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of the horse

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in their own handwriting on a piece of

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paper

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thus giving permission for the healer to

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begin channeling the healing process

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another success story they related was

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about a client who had a cane toad

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problem which is certainly not unusual

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for many of us here in australia

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the procedure they use went as follows

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step one

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they kill one cane toad on the property

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with dettol which is an over-the-counter

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antiseptic

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step two they let the dead cane toad dry

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out in the sun

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step three

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the ashes of the cane toad were put into

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a bowl made of something

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i'm sorry i can't recall what that was

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but it was something specific

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and i confess at this point i was just

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trying to keep up

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step 4 the ashes in the bowl were put

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out in the paddock during the full moon

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result

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the following day all cane toads on the

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property were dead

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i was asked how science could explain

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that

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i must say there was an air of triumph

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and a gotcha moment on their part i

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replied that i could not explain it that

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no one could be expected to unless they

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were there at the time and saw the whole

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process unfold

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we parted on very good terms

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and i said truthfully that i hoped to

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bump into them again sometime and that i

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appreciated their time and talking to me

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so now to the part that went

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horribly wrong all right depending on

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how one looks at it i suppose

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it was a talk called girl talk for women

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what your gp isn't telling you what

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really matters when it comes to our body

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food and medicine

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by the title i didn't realize that this

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talk was going to be all about

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a woman's menstrual cycle problems and

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natural treatments that is treatments

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provided by the speaker if you became

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her client we took off our shoes and

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entered a tp type structure

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there were six of us all together which

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included the speaker

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we sat on yoga mats and cushions and the

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speaker asked me to pour the others each

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a cup of herbal tea

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i did this albeit somewhat awkwardly

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crawling slash bending slash trying to

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retain some semblance of grace slash

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as i reached across to each participant

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to hand them their teeth

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this space certainly had a nice feeling

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to it but it was not designed for people

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like myself with lower back issues

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and people like myself being clumsy at

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the best of times

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without asking us our names and without

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further ado we were each asked to relate

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what our menstrual cycles were like

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she explained that she wanted the hours

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session to be interactive with us all

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giving us stories and thoughts

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i came to realize later that the

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thoughts were only welcome if we agreed

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with the speaker's opinions

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so anyway the others spoke first about

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their cycles

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and they were very open and honest

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then it was my turn

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forgive me for the details

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and believe me i am sparing you most of

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the details here

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but it is important to the story

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i told them i had a contraceptive device

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put in not for contraception as such

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but to help with the difficulty i had

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each month with extensive pain and

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forced bed rest i relayed how much it

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had helped me so much live a normal

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active life again

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i was met with a

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well

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that's a different perspective

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okay thanks

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by the speaker

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it was then that i noticed she had one

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of these devices beside her in its

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package

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alongside various packets of

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contraceptive pills realization dawned

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on me

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that perhaps

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i was the epitome of everything a woman

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should not be doing

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for optimum female health

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whoops

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she went on to say over the next 20

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minutes or so how a woman's cycle was

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like the cycle of the moon and the

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plants

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something about a new moon and a new

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phase for women and something about

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plants not flowering until they had

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strong roots

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howard lost sight of this gift and were

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now being taught to think of it as a

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curse

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how many of us have taken the easy way

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out with artificial contraceptive

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devices instead of embracing our natural

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cycles she then passed around the same

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device i had in its packet emphasizing

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to me i'm not judging you she explained

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how artificial contraception was giving

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us cancer how could it be any other way

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she said since they secreted drugs

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directly into our most sensitive women's

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bits

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it was obvious she said to her that this

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would cause changes in the cells that

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resulted in cancer

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she talked about how she as a skilled

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practitioner could easily help people

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without them going on contraception and

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turned to me and told me she could fix

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me with medicinal plants and herbs i

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became more and more frustrated and

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upset

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as she talked about doctors taking the

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easy way out that she liked doctors but

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only for emergency care and diagnostic

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tools she said she had taken advantage

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of these services but would then often

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refuse any recommended treatment plan

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preferring to self-treat i've

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encountered similar comments before

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so-called western medicine is great for

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emergencies and diagnostics but crap at

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everything else i've come across it

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particularly with the topic of

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vaccination

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some are quite prepared to take their

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kids to an emergency department or a gp

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for emergency care

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and to trust the physicians to

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administer the treatment

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but not trust them when it comes to

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vaccination i don't understand this

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why trust doctors to do the best thing

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by your child in one situation

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but believe that the same doctors are

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out to knowingly harm your child in a

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different situation if the doctors are

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in the pocket of big pharma

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and you think that they secretly know

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that vaccines are harmful then why on

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earth would you trust doctors with your

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child's life in a critical situation

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so then she began to talk about her

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opinion of the dangers of the gardasil

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vaccine as you can imagine

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me being involved in the northern

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river's vaccination supporters group my

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blood pressure started to steadily climb

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if you're not too familiar with the

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gardasil vaccine here's a brief

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background

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gardasil is now offered to pre-teens in

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australia both girls and boys at about

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the age of 12 to 13.

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it's been remarkably successful in

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reducing human papillomavirus or hpv

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infection which is a significant cause

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of cervical cancer and genital warts

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the infection can also cause penile and

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anal cancers in males and some cancers

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of the head and neck

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the incidence rates of presentations to

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clinics with genital warts have been

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reduced by about 61 percent

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since the vaccine has been introduced in

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australia in the year 2007.

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okay

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so she began by talking about how many

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adverse effects and deaths there had

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been from the gardasil vaccine

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and it was at this point that i felt

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like i would burst a fufu valve if i

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didn't speak up somewhere in the back of

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my mind i heard tim mentioned saying in

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for a penny in for a pound

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so i interjected

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i began by saying that the gardasil

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vaccination initiative since being

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introduced in australia

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was a fabulous public health initiative

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i gave her some statistics about just

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how effective this vaccine had been thus

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far

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she told me she disagreed

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and that why would they have not just

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continued with pap smears without the

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need for the vaccine

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i said this was not about opinion and

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disagreeing but about the facts when i

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mentioned the word science in relation

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to the studies i was surprised to see

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her visibly recoil it was a very

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visceral a very telling reaction

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this was not going well at all

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so i tried addressing her comment about

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pap smears being good enough without the

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vaccine

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i explained that pap smears picked up

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abnormalities in cells that were already

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present whereas the vaccine prevented

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infection

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that pap smears was still very important

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as the vaccine does not cover all

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strains of hpv infection

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she counted with the opinion that if

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girls were taught to look after their

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bodies and their mental and spiritual

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health they would be protected

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i counted with the fact that no amount

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of spiritual mental or dietary self-help

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can protect one against sexually

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transmittable diseases

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she came back with

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and now they've started giving boys this

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vaccine go figure it makes no sense to

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deep breaths

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it was at this point

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i realized that i was talking with

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someone who had not even a basic

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understanding of the vaccine she was

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denigrating

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i told her about the penile and anal

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cancers it also had a protective effect

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for that it was important to give it to

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pre-teens who were not yet sexually

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active as around 80 of people will be

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infected with hpv at some point in their

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lives once they become sexually active

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she continued to shift the goal posts

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after each refutation i provided she

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ignored my statements about pap smears

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and why boys needed the vaccine as well

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as girls she was angry now no doubt

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about it and started talking about how

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everyone should be screened before

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receiving any vaccine to see if they

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were going to have an adverse reaction

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at first with this point i thought she

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was talking about the small risk of

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anaphylaxis

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but then she said

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what if someone has weak kidneys and has

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a very strong vaccine given to them

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i was i confess

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at a loss at what to say to that

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statement i wanted to say weak kidneys

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what what

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i asked here where she was getting her

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evidence from

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she was visibly flustered and i was too

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she replied the same place your evidence

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is

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she then accused me of being very strong

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in my opinions when all she was trying

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to do was to give her presentation

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well she was probably right there i

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became aware of how awkward the others

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in the group were and i felt quite

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ashamed that i had let my emotions get

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in the way

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i excused myself 15 minutes before her

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00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,279
presentation was to end i really felt

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like going back to the biogenetic

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balance people and asking them to

636
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,960
measure the negative energy in the tent

637
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after i'd left

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so

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it's apparently completely different

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speaking with people face to face than

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it is over the internet

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the dynamics are different

643
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you don't have time to gather your

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thoughts and emotions when face to face

645
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,360
you can't look up the literature and

646
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:07,600
have multiple different tabs open in

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front of you

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perhaps have empathy for them and they

649
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:15,600
you on the other hand there are also

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occurrences where there is no common

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00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:19,760
ground reached and the anger and

652
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:22,799
frustration of both parties is palpable

653
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:25,360
obviously i still have a lot to learn

654
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:27,279
i don't know the best way to communicate

655
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with people who are immune pardon the

656
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,200
pun to the best evidence that is there

657
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:35,279
how can you argue against someone who

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says that intuition and anecdotal

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00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,240
evidence are more powerful to them than

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science to me it has been more than

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worthwhile to experience the range of

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reactions and emotions i felt during

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those few hours

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i'm sure i'll do it again one day but

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i'll make sure that next time i take

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along a like-minded friend for some

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emotional support thanks folks find us

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supporters on twitter

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or on facebook

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or at our website

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welcome to a week in science from rios

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bringing you the science you need to

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know how will the inhabitants of the

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most remote places on earth fare under a

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changing climate

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not too well as we take a look at

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this is the tale of two penguins one

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winner one loser

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this isn't a delhi penguin

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this is a gentoo penguin

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they are closely related and they both

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eat krill and the same kinds of fish

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over the past few decades a deli

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populations have been in rapid decline

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during the same period gentoo

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populations have grown and they've

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extended their distribution further

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south it looks like changes in sea ice

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due to climate change may be the key

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gentoos are adapted to sub-antarctic

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islands where they forage in ice-free

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areas

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a delhi penguins spend their winters in

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the pack ice

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so one penguin's loss is another bird's

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newborn antarctic fur seals are also

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feeling the pinch due to climate change

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during the first few months of life

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antarctic fur seal pups are especially

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vulnerable to cold conditions climate

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models may show an increase in

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temperature but windier and wetter

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conditions mean pups will have to divert

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more energy into keeping warm

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00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,039
and less into growing up this change

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00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:17,919
will dramatically affect fur seal pup

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00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,559
survival rates added to this it is

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likely that climate change will affect

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the availability of prey placing even

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more stress on the vulnerable pups and

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now four fast facts about antarctic

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antarctic whale species such as minkes

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and humpbacks could lose between five

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and thirty percent of their habitat as

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00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,240
the oceans warm leopard seals face an

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uncertain future as large areas of sea

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ice on which they breed disappear krill

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the southern ocean's main food source

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are in decline with losses of up to 80

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percent in some areas in the past 30

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years

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and the annual migration of killer

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whales may be severely affected by the

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loss of ice flows normally they would

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follow these around the polar seas

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that's it for this a week in science for

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more information on antarctic wildlife

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and climate change go to the rio's

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follow us on twitter at rios and like us

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on facebook i'm paul willis and we'll

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qed 2015 with matt dillahunty lucy green

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bruce hood and more tickets for qed 2015

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are currently on sale to get your ticket

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to one of the highlights of the

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skeptical humanist calendar

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visit qedcon.org

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tickets and what a line up qed has this

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year including

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oh one of my favorites dr harriet hall

746
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:11,919
i met harriet years ago actually on a an

747
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,320
amazing adventure

748
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,799
the skeptoc she's called absolutely

749
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,480
worth the price of admission alone

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00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,760
doctor harriet hall but of course

751
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,240
professor bruce hood he's a funny guy

752
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,559
he's great always good value all sorts

753
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,159
of other people will be there brits will

754
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:27,919
certainly know mitch ben who's going to

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00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:31,039
be there and you can be the one and only

756
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michael marshall as well as all the

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00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,120
other merseyside skeptics and the

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00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,679
skeptics from manchester i had a great

759
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:39,760
time at qed two years running i was

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00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,080
there how lucky was i it certainly is

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one of the better skeptical conventions

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00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:46,799
anywhere in the world uh don't delay get

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your tickets at qedcon.org

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tickets question explore discover and

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this is being held in manchester of

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00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:57,360
course at the palace hotel

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00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,159
and that's where that area at trafford

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00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,320
that's where my great grandmother came

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00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,000
from so i've got a sort of a little

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00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:06,640
connection with that area again qed what

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00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:09,360
a great conference it is kicking off on

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00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:26,389
here's maynard's spooky action

773
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:32,310
i couldn't be more excited because i'm

774
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,679
with one of the biggest skeptics in the

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uk we've got

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marsh

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from from the most headscaped society

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00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,960
from skeptics with a k from this and

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00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:42,559
that really a bit everywhere well

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00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,320
perhaps the most exciting thing on your

781
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:46,320
show i've ever discovered is what i call

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00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:47,919
the great big book of [\h__\h] and you

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00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:49,840
brought it to australia with you tell

784
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:52,240
the listeners all about this yeah i love

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00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,360
this so this is the giant book of

786
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,960
fantastic facts and how it came about is

787
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,399
there's that mike hall who's the uh the

788
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:58,159
presenter of skeptics with the k look

789
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,360
i'm going to put my reading glasses on

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00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,960
for this because i expected it to be a

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00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,360
bit more bible-like and not as childlike

792
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:04,880
it's actually more childlike than i

793
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,919
thought i thought it was going to be a

794
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:07,679
bit more you know the chariots of the

795
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,880
gods kind of thing you know a bit more

796
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,720
eric von danigan oh van danigan you know

797
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,559
i tried to interview van danigan we just

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00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,480
didn't get a date for it i'm gutted he's

799
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,840
still on my list oh you've got to get

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00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:17,519
because he's got the bling he's got the

801
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,960
rings he likes to smoke the cigar he

802
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,640
always has a glass of fine scotch with

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00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,720
him he's top yeah yeah i'd love to speak

804
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:24,080
to him but yeah so it's a giant book of

805
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:25,440
facts it is a kid's book and it's a

806
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:26,960
kid's book that mike hall the president

807
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,960
of the merseyside skeptics had when he

808
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:30,559
was a kid and he read it and he believed

809
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:31,760
every word of this because you're a kid

810
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:33,039
it's in a book it's written down it must

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00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,399
be true well look it starts with

812
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:35,919
something on the on the front it's a

813
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:38,240
fact that hippos are heavier than humans

814
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,760
i'm sorry but what's that all about well

815
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:41,519
it's true that that is a fact that that

816
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:43,039
is that is a mundane fact that's in

817
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,399
there but some of the other facts in

818
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:46,559
here uh are not actual facts at all in

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00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,559
fact one of them in here uh like i said

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00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,480
they're pretty poor drawings too oh god

821
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:52,320
yeah they're really really awful and

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00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,440
then one of the stories in here was

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00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,360
about a guy who um he got out of bed one

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00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:57,600
day and his feet didn't touch the ground

825
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and he spent the entire day just

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floating around and then at the end of

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the day he landed again and he could

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00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:03,519
never fly again

829
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,399
that's complete nonsense yeah what the

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00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:09,040
citation please well obviously none of

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this has any kind of uh evidence behind

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00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:12,159
it so this is what mike did he he

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00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:13,200
remembered when we were starting when we

834
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,240
were in the middle of the show he

835
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,679
remembered this book as a kid and he

836
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,440
thought hang on this was nonsense you

837
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:19,040
know and he found a copy of it so he

838
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,320
bought a copy and then what we do every

839
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,639
week on the show is pick a story and

840
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:24,159
he'd read it out to us as it appears in

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00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:25,359
the book and we have to kind of guess

842
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,720
whether we think it's true or false and

843
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:28,079
then he'd do the research to figure out

844
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,520
if it was true or not can you give us a

845
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,440
sample here one of your favorites

846
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,200
uh let me have a seat i mean there was

847
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,040
one this book has come all the way from

848
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:37,200
england everybody this is real this is

849
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,839
this is uh literature royalty it is

850
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:41,599
absolutely you know it's come from uh i

851
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:42,720
brought it all the way with me but

852
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,079
there's a fantastic story i wonder if i

853
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,399
can find it which was about a guy during

854
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,240
the second world war who was flying a

855
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,399
plane and uh he had to bail out of the

856
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:52,240
plane because i saw a drawing of someone

857
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:53,599
with their hands up earlier i think was

858
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,359
it was the drawing with the hands up

859
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,200
well he was flying a plane at the time

860
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:59,040
and uh he had to bail out of the plane

861
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,480
because it had been uh it had been shot

862
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,800
down and so he didn't have a parachute

863
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,560
or anything like that so he just jumped

864
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,640
out and uh he was like you know 40 000

865
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:08,160
feet in the air or 10 20 000 feet in the

866
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:10,079
air or whatever and uh he fell and

867
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,839
because he landed in some snow it

868
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:13,119
cushioned his fall and he's totally

869
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,960
survived it was absolutely fine and we

870
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:16,560
thought this has got to be nonsense you

871
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,760
know you can't jump out of a plane and

872
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,359
survive but when mike looked into it it

873
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:21,200
was absolutely true wow and it was even

874
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,800
more interesting that the guy who you

875
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,320
know he did landed a massive bale of

876
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:26,240
snow his fall was broken by some trees

877
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,680
he jumped out of a plane at the highest

878
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,280
kind of height that he'd been flying as

879
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:31,599
a fighter pilot and then he was captured

880
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:34,160
and he went into uh a um a concentration

881
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:35,920
camp for a while you know a prisoner of

882
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,880
war camp and uh he was part of the the

883
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:40,560
film that the he's part of the the

884
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,920
actual escape that the great escape was

885
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,599
based on but he didn't try and escape

886
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,640
because he was claustrophobic and

887
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,320
couldn't go through the tunnels so is

888
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:48,160
okay taking a dive from 40 000 feet

889
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,359
without a parachute but going in a

890
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:51,200
tunnel no way yeah exactly and this

891
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,400
turned out to be true you know and this

892
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,240
is the really weird thing about this

893
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,400
book is that you've got such a range of

894
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:58,000
complete nonsense in there but every now

895
00:36:02,069 --> 00:35:59,839
and again you'll just find a story

896
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:02,079
that's absolutely true you know

897
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:03,200
there's another story in here about the

898
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:06,160
old old very old man who was uh it said

899
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,520
about how he was who played a lot of

900
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,280
bingo and drank port well apparently

901
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:11,040
he'd live for like 200 years and then

902
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,640
one day he died and they autopsied him

903
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,800
and they found nothing weird and uh we

904
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:16,560
don't you know it clearly wasn't true

905
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:17,920
but what we think actually happened was

906
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,079
he had a son with the same name as him

907
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,680
and somewhere down the line the records

908
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:23,119
got confused and it made him look like

909
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:24,880
he was uh he was incredibly old but you

910
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,320
know it's a well-known story apparently

911
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:28,640
there's also some great uh mistake a few

912
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,359
uh

913
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,839
typos in there as well yeah well

914
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:34,079
in part typos and just the glaring

915
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,920
factual inaccuracies are amazing at one

916
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,880
point they talk about you know the

917
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,480
theory of relativity which was invented

918
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,400
by gilbert einstein how do you not

919
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:42,160
fact-check that of all things that's the

920
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,599
easiest thing in the world to find out

921
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:44,880
who believes he's called you know

922
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,119
gilbert yeah it's it's a remarkable term

923
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:49,200
you can you can touch the edges of the

924
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,560
hems of the book

925
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,800
i'm just touching uh the page the battle

926
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,720
of the ghosts uh now is this some

927
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:56,240
biblical story what tell us about farm

928
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,480
workers on their way home from work from

929
00:37:01,750 --> 00:37:00,320
banbury to kinderton is that a

930
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:01,760
particular specialty place or not is

931
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,280
that a ghosty place i don't know it's in

932
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:05,040
warwickshire they're saying that they uh

933
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,880
saw and heard an action replay of the

934
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,240
battle of edge hill which was fought

935
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,760
three months earlier and how they saw

936
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:11,040
this and they were sort of terrified and

937
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,240
the whole thing was apparently ghosts

938
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,839
that were playing it out uh it said

939
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,440
their report is probably the only ghost

940
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:16,880
story accepted in the documents of the

941
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:19,599
public records of office as authentic um

942
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:20,640
i don't know if this one's true i don't

943
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:21,599
think we ever got to this one on the

944
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,320
show yeah well that's page 180 and that

945
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,480
that that's that falls squarely in the

946
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,640
hearsay category doesn't it really yeah

947
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:30,000
absolutely you know and i think this is

948
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,839
kind of so many stories i think a lot of

949
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,599
the stories that we didn't get to it was

950
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:35,520
simply that we couldn't video there was

951
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:37,280
there wasn't enough in there to figure

952
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:38,560
out whether it was true or not but then

953
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,440
you got other stuff like you know the

954
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,359
story of tycho brahe and how he had a

955
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,599
golden nose and it's kind of in real

956
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,359
life yeah i don't think

957
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:47,119
because he did a lot of charlie is that

958
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:48,800
the reason why yeah i don't know i can't

959
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:50,240
remember why he lost his military he'd

960
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:51,599
never keep money in the bank account

961
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:53,040
yeah that was it he lost his nose in a

962
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,720
jewel it was sliced off by a slasher an

963
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:56,160
opponent sword this is what the story

964
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,599
was and he also says he was usually

965
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,680
withdrawing 200 bucks from the atm late

966
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,839
at night on a friday on saturday and

967
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,359
that's why he was known for the golden

968
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:05,200
nose yeah yeah exactly but it turns out

969
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:06,560
you know this was a real story taika

970
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:09,040
opera he's a really famous uh astronomer

971
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,400
i believe his null wasn't his nose

972
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,920
wasn't gold i think it was like a copper

973
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,000
mix um one of the theories about how he

974
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:16,000
died was that it was poisoning a metal

975
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,440
pot heavy metal poisoning from the nose

976
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,200
because apparently he was at um he sat

977
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:21,040
at dinner and apparently he was too

978
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,560
polite to get up to go to the bathroom

979
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,960
and he died when uh that kind of killed

980
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,800
him i know that he he sat there for far

981
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,560
too long and didn't excrete when he

982
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,560
should have done and that killed him a

983
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:32,320
guy with a really obvious golden nose

984
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,520
not wanting to go up and have a slash

985
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:35,200
that's that's very odd behavior well he

986
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,480
wouldn't want to stand out i suppose you

987
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:37,920
know you wouldn't want to stand out to

988
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:40,000
anyone with the golden nose so is this

989
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,359
book being completely exhausted on

990
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,359
skeptics with a k i think so you know i

991
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,960
think so it's it's a real shim because

992
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,960
it was a fun fun segment but uh i heard

993
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,240
rumors there was a follow-up book you

994
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,720
guys got yeah there was another giant

995
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,640
book a fantastic fact it wasn't just the

996
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,920
same one with a different cover was it

997
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,359
no no it wasn't it was it was the next

998
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:57,760
version but it was all true it was

999
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:59,119
really disappointing there was no there

1000
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:00,480
was no nonsense in there so they might

1001
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,680
have got a fact checker for the second

1002
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:03,280
one well apparently it was written by

1003
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,480
there's like three or four guys who

1004
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:07,040
wrote the original and one of them left

1005
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,800
so the the follow-up didn't have one of

1006
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,400
those guys in there

1007
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:12,000
obviously i'm making up the [\h__\h] yeah we

1008
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:13,200
assuming that he was just the guy who

1009
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:14,800
was just the [\h__\h] merchant just i

1010
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:15,680
don't know whether he was doing it on

1011
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,760
purpose about drunk well i like the idea

1012
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,960
that he was like god you'll never guess

1013
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:20,160
what i've got them to believe this time

1014
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,200
you know i've never guessed i managed to

1015
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:23,200
slide into the book yeah but wow look

1016
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,560
i'm going to take a photo with you so

1017
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:26,079
people know this book is in the country

1018
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,680
even just for a limited time any trouble

1019
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:29,040
getting to sue customs at all they said

1020
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,640
oh excuse me so you're carrying too much

1021
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:32,079
[\h__\h] with you well they did think it

1022
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,280
was contraband because obviously any

1023
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,359
kind of biological material is banned

1024
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:37,119
coming into australia this constitutes

1025
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:38,480
[\h__\h] i think so i think it had

1026
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:40,079
enough elements of bull left in it that

1027
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,440
it set off the scanners oh of course

1028
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,920
it's actually uh it's a legal uh

1029
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:46,000
obligation of myself uh to ask what do

1030
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,599
you think of australia so far we always

1031
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:49,200
have to ask people that you know i'm

1032
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,720
really enjoying it not that i i thought

1033
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,240
i wouldn't but yeah i mean sydney's a

1034
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:54,000
fantastic city and i've said you were

1035
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,760
complaining you couldn't get pints last

1036
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:57,760
night at the bar i managed to convince

1037
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:59,359
someone to give me a pint but every time

1038
00:40:01,910 --> 00:40:00,640
i asked he was giving me a schooner and

1039
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,920
i don't like this kind of schooner creep

1040
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,440
that were because it's happening in the

1041
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,880
uk this kind of creep towards using

1042
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,480
schooners i don't trust that i think

1043
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:08,160
it's just a way for trendy bars to sell

1044
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:09,520
you less than a pint for more than a

1045
00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:11,119
pint would cause yeah how much less than

1046
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:12,320
a pint is it i think it's about

1047
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,520
two-thirds

1048
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,760
that's significant really yeah but uh no

1049
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,960
i'm really enjoying it and what about

1050
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:18,240
our beer here of course that everyone

1051
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,520
makes a big deal about our beer being

1052
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:21,599
cold and our beer being very different

1053
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,720
to english beer because your favorite

1054
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:24,640
beer is what uh you know i don't know

1055
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:26,000
i'll drink pretty much anything this is

1056
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:27,359
a terrible thing any kind of beers i

1057
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,800
know that i think i'll drink i like a

1058
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,640
guinness uh i started drinking that when

1059
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:32,640
i was a kid when i was like 17 18 just

1060
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,760
to try and put some weight on because i

1061
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,280
was incredibly thin at the time but

1062
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:36,880
you're still pretty thin it's a solid

1063
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:39,040
drink yeah no it's good i'm unfortunate

1064
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,480
i'm going to dublin to speak for the

1065
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:42,240
irish skeptics in february next year so

1066
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,760
i'll be definitely sampling plenty of

1067
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:45,119
goodness there but i've enjoyed the

1068
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,880
aussie beer and you know the company's

1069
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,800
great i think i've long said that uh the

1070
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:50,079
aussie skeptics are probably my favorite

1071
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,839
group in the world because i think we've

1072
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:54,000
got a there it's like a kindred group to

1073
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,599
what we do with merseyside and with qed

1074
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,720
the conference that i run because we've

1075
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:58,000
all got the same kind of spirit of kind

1076
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,920
of let's all just muck in we're all in

1077
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,440
this together you know we're we're all

1078
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:03,440
sharing this value system this idea of

1079
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:04,640
kind of challenging stuff and

1080
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:06,079
questioning stuff looking for evidence

1081
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,319
and trying to help people outside of uh

1082
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:10,480
outside of that kind of community so

1083
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:12,319
yeah the aussie skeptics i love look uh

1084
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,319
the the critics that i meet locally

1085
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,920
complain oh you guys just go after the

1086
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,680
low-hanging fruit like homeopathy and

1087
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:19,200
psychics why don't you go after the big

1088
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:22,000
ones like the catholic church islam

1089
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,400
scientology what do you say to that yeah

1090
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,839
i mean this comes up when i do uh when i

1091
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:27,200
do lectures on this kind of stuff and

1092
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:28,400
there's a couple of things first of all

1093
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,359
i was saying that i can stop a chunky

1094
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,359
sports bracelet company selling dodgy

1095
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,880
bracelets i can't bring down the

1096
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,400
catholic church i think it's very i mean

1097
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:37,839
i've got a lot of faith in my ability

1098
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,040
but not that much

1099
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,960
even henry viii had to go yeah exactly

1100
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,319
yeah look where that look what happened

1101
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:44,160
there well um and i think the other side

1102
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:45,839
of it is there's a lot of people who

1103
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,880
won't believe in hormones they would

1104
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:48,480
have heard of it before so you can first

1105
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:49,599
of all tell them what it is and that

1106
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,040
will sort of uh that will protect them

1107
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:53,040
against falling for it but also

1108
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:54,640
and i like a lot of people thought it

1109
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,680
was something to do with herbal

1110
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,800
preparations i thought there was

1111
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:58,640
actually an active ingredient yeah loads

1112
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:59,920
of people are really surprised when you

1113
00:42:02,069 --> 00:42:00,800
tell them that there's nothing in

1114
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:02,079
homeopathy it's just sugar it's just

1115
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:03,200
water there's nothing like people can't

1116
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,160
believe that that's true they can't

1117
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:06,000
believe then that your pharmacies will

1118
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,680
sell it like it's real medicine so i

1119
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:09,280
think you protect them against ideas

1120
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:10,319
that they hadn't heard of so that

1121
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,520
they're not gonna fall for it the next

1122
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,640
time they hear it or the first time they

1123
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,160
hear it but also i think you can

1124
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,400
demonstrate the flaws in beliefs by

1125
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,319
using these obvious examples so if you

1126
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,480
are on people with the idea of how to

1127
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:21,920
you know spot cold reading when it's

1128
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,800
been done so you can tell whether

1129
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:24,079
someone's actually talking the dead or

1130
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,359
just kind of picking details out that

1131
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:27,359
you're making fit and the the

1132
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,839
methodology in challenging psychics is

1133
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,280
the same methodology and challenging

1134
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:33,359
scientology in challenging you know the

1135
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,720
way that the media presents stuff and

1136
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:36,319
challenging the way that economic

1137
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,760
systems might be structured and people

1138
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,800
you know complain to me that you don't

1139
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,160
have a look at economy and things like

1140
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,400
that it's like well you can bring people

1141
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,560
to the method and demonstrate that

1142
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:46,160
method and then where people take that

1143
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:48,079
method you'll go on and do it and when

1144
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:49,440
people say to me you know why aren't you

1145
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,640
spending all your time looking at this

1146
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,640
this and this i always say i agree that

1147
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:54,560
those are worthwhile places to look more

1148
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,920
power to you you know you clearly care

1149
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:57,599
about those issues a lot off your goal

1150
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,720
you know it's the same it's the same

1151
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,640
tool set i i think what i'd like to try

1152
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,839
and do with the talks that i gave is to

1153
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,599
demonstrate to people that it doesn't

1154
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,800
take

1155
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,800
lists of phds behind you to be able to

1156
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,400
challenge this stuff it just takes an

1157
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,319
awareness of the basic structure and a

1158
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,079
willingness to to be out there to be

1159
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:14,400
active to be kind of energetic and uh

1160
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:15,920
enthusiastic and i think you can get a

1161
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:17,920
long way on that bit of a controversial

1162
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,400
question here has the uk skeptical scene

1163
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:22,480
matured as it has in the u.s and there's

1164
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,599
been a bit of splintering of the

1165
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,440
movement and people going oh that person

1166
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:27,119
isn't what i thought they were all the

1167
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,400
whole movement's crap has there been

1168
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:30,079
anything like that going on um you know

1169
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,599
i don't think that has i don't think

1170
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:33,119
that has in the uk and i think part of

1171
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,359
that reason is because we didn't spring

1172
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:37,599
up the way that uh the american movement

1173
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:39,040
sort of did and the american move is

1174
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,800
kind of the father of all of the

1175
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,160
different movements around the world but

1176
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:44,319
those started really where there was a

1177
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,920
charismatic incredibly talented

1178
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,440
individual like you james randy kind of

1179
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,680
figure who started a group and it was

1180
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:50,960
kind of set up that way is that this is

1181
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:53,200
a personal crusade almost and it was it

1182
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,119
was phenomenally successful for that but

1183
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,960
i think necessarily that's a kind of a

1184
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:58,160
top-down structure is that you have

1185
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:59,200
someone at the top and the moment you

1186
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,400
have someone on the top still on a

1187
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:02,000
pedestal and you have a couple of those

1188
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:03,200
people one is going to get knocked off

1189
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,640
because they're just people yeah people

1190
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,839
are people people are flawed you know

1191
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,119
and it's very

1192
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,280
it's very disconcerting when i see uh

1193
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:11,040
our community which kind of prides

1194
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,400
itself on its ability to kind of

1195
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,400
challenge authority and challenge these

1196
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:16,240
challenge monolithic figures then having

1197
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:17,680
a monolithic figure

1198
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,720
of their own i think that's always

1199
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:20,079
something we should try and avoid but

1200
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,839
luckily in the uk i think we sprung up

1201
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:23,280
organically you know you can start a

1202
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:25,040
skeptical group in the uk and it's not

1203
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,400
that you have to kind of ask someone for

1204
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:28,240
permission and license their name and go

1205
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,520
you just start one if you want a

1206
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,359
skeptics in your pub start one and see

1207
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,880
who comes and tell people about it and

1208
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:34,319
ask people who've got other groups what

1209
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,440
works for them and i think that's kind

1210
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:37,440
of what's worked with the uk scene is

1211
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,240
that

1212
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,839
we don't have these big monolithic

1213
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:41,040
figures really who are really involved

1214
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:42,640
in skepticism we've got people like

1215
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:44,000
richard dawkins but i don't think he's

1216
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,520
really involved in skepticism i wouldn't

1217
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:47,599
call him a skeptical and how much how

1218
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:48,800
much of the time do you think some of

1219
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:50,240
the stuff he says he's just stirring the

1220
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,599
pot do you think he's a guy who just

1221
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:53,200
likes to stir the pot sometimes just for

1222
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,400
the sake of it

1223
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,839
you know i always try and avoid

1224
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:57,200
speculating over what people think

1225
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,480
whether they're people on our side or

1226
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:00,960
people on on the the side of psychics

1227
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,520
things like that um yeah it's what

1228
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:05,040
people kind of forget very easily is

1229
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,880
that everybody is just human they might

1230
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,800
have great ideas in one area they might

1231
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,880
be completely flawed in another and i

1232
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:13,040
think for us to uh assume that because

1233
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,640
someone is is great writing about

1234
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,319
atheism or great writing about you know

1235
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:18,160
evolution and genetics things like that

1236
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,599
that they're perfect at everything i

1237
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:21,280
think that all that does is set us up

1238
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:22,880
for a fall and the funny thing is when

1239
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,640
you see the uh

1240
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:26,160
i always try and avoid seeing believers

1241
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:27,440
because i don't like this kind of

1242
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:28,720
feminist mentality this kind of

1243
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:31,440
intellectual apartheid is like

1244
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:32,480
that's a good thing to set up too

1245
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,720
because as soon as you do that you're

1246
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,400
building a wall yeah and i want that to

1247
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:38,160
be as few walls as possible so i think

1248
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,839
i much rather would look for where we

1249
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,359
have uh lines of common ground with

1250
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,359
people who who subscribe to beliefs that

1251
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,880
we don't to try and say well you don't

1252
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:47,280
believe in bigfoot well why not let's

1253
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,560
let's explore why we don't believe in

1254
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:50,560
bigfoot and maybe we can look at that

1255
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,920
this is one of the other podcasts that

1256
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,000
the merseyside do don't you it's uh it's

1257
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:56,079
inc incredulous is that it no i'm sorry

1258
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,920
completely incredulous is like a very

1259
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:59,680
bold comedy show but not be reasonable

1260
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,480
is

1261
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,400
a show that i i do a monthly show where

1262
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:04,400
i find someone who believes in something

1263
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,800
that i don't uh and we just try and

1264
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:08,240
explore the boundaries of their belief

1265
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,240
and because we're doing it i'm a big i'm

1266
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:12,400
a big proponent of the idea that to to

1267
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:13,760
have someone to question someone about

1268
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:15,040
their belief you can't do it by saying

1269
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:16,160
you're an idiot why do you believe this

1270
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:17,119
you're gullible what about this what

1271
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,560
about this be aggressive because the

1272
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,920
moment you're aggressive to someone

1273
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,359
their defenses go up and they just go

1274
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,680
through the down pat uh defensive

1275
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:25,200
statements that they've been using every

1276
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,560
time anyone's ever questioned them but

1277
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:28,319
if you say to them i'm really interested

1278
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,359
in what you believe could you tell me

1279
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,880
about it people love talking about what

1280
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,400
they believe they love telling people

1281
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,240
about their belief systems and why they

1282
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,400
really believe it and you can then ask

1283
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,319
gentle penetrative questions but you're

1284
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,599
doing it in a very polite very

1285
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,599
respectful way and instead of being

1286
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:43,359
stopped at the gates you get into the

1287
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:44,480
middle of the miz and you can walk

1288
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,760
people around the maze of their own

1289
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,599
beliefs and sometimes you'll take a turn

1290
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:49,119
that they've never taken before and you

1291
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:50,560
can get them to a point where they think

1292
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,760
i've never thought that i've never

1293
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,359
thought about that aspect before and

1294
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:55,040
maybe those people you can kind of get

1295
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:56,400
to question what they believe and now

1296
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:57,680
what's that podcast we should look out

1297
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:59,440
for that's be reasonable yeah and you

1298
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,800
can find that on our website

1299
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,480
merseysideskeptics.org

1300
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:04,319
or it's on itunes or stitcher so yeah

1301
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,760
look let's get on with the serious stuff

1302
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:07,440
i've got issues with pedicabali as the

1303
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,400
doctor

1304
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:10,000
you know what yeah i'm the worst person

1305
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:11,119
in the world to talk to about this i

1306
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:12,319
have never seen an episode of doctor who

1307
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:14,240
in my life oh never mind

1308
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,599
is that because you just avoided it or

1309
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:17,280
just don't you just don't care for it

1310
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:18,480
well i think i'm a freak in the

1311
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,839
skeptical community for a couple of

1312
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:21,839
reasons one i don't really get on board

1313
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,079
with sci-fi too much i'm not a sci-fi

1314
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,480
fan at all uh sci-fi fantasy doesn't do

1315
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,920
an awful lot for me i love i love

1316
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,760
literature i love you know exploring

1317
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:31,200
ideas but it's just i've never been

1318
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:32,400
grabbed by someone who'd rather watch

1319
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,599
the bills

1320
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,440
yeah exactly

1321
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,119
but then as well the other reason i'm

1322
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,880
freaking this but the bill is internally

1323
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:41,280
consistent exactly you know and i don't

1324
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,720
mind something that sets up the rules at

1325
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,480
the start and then never breaks those

1326
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:46,640
rules so when you when you see something

1327
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,079
the first series of like heroes or

1328
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:50,000
something whereas like right 10 minutes

1329
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,920
in there are people with magical powers

1330
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:53,119
from there we're done we're not going to

1331
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:54,400
introduce anything else weird we're not

1332
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:56,000
going to start bending timer

1333
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:57,599
well we are but someone can do that very

1334
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,720
early on i'm fine with stuff that's

1335
00:48:01,589 --> 00:48:00,000
internally consistent that way it's when

1336
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:01,599
you can then just pluck something and

1337
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,720
say well this episode we're going to

1338
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:04,640
talk about this over here which which we

1339
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:05,920
never introduced before it didn't exist

1340
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,760
before but now it's kind of part yeah it

1341
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:09,680
kind of kind of loses me a little bit

1342
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,720
but i think the other reason i'm a freak

1343
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,079
in the skeptical community and this this

1344
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:14,720
is going to be shocking i think

1345
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,520
i'm not that bothered about science

1346
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,960
i think it's incredibly

1347
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,400
vital in our community

1348
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,240
in the world i think it has hugely

1349
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,319
beneficial aspects and the people who

1350
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,720
are you know doing that work all power

1351
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:29,280
to them i i i i'm incredibly

1352
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:30,559
appreciative of the fact that people are

1353
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,440
out there making these great

1354
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,119
advancements but i'm not in skepticism

1355
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:35,040
for pushing the boundaries i'm in

1356
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:36,640
skepticism for defending the territories

1357
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,920
you know the stuff that we already know

1358
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,839
is true where is that eroding from

1359
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:41,599
people who uh are holding it i mean

1360
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:43,359
skepticism for the weird beliefs i love

1361
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,640
having a conversation with someone i

1362
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,960
totally disagree with about something

1363
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:48,559
it's fascinating i i cop that a lot

1364
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,760
because i'll sit down talk to people

1365
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,920
about that and most skeptics go but how

1366
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,359
could you possibly talk to that person

1367
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,960
about that without interjecting and

1368
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,119
arguing with them it can be done can't

1369
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:59,119
it yeah and i think you know

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if i look if i want a conversation where

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00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:02,240
someone agrees with me i can fill a room

1372
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,119
full of people with that i've got

1373
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,880
friends for that you know but what i

1374
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,880
want to do is to try and learn about the

1375
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:08,079
boundaries of my own belief and the

1376
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:09,280
boundaries of their belief and what

1377
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,720
belief means and your why people

1378
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:12,000
constructively so i want to talk to

1379
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,520
someone who i completely disagree with

1380
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:15,440
and there's a court that i always kind

1381
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:17,040
of think about in those situations which

1382
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,720
is from william blake and the marriage

1383
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,240
of heaven and hell fantastic book from

1384
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,319
like 15 16th century something like that

1385
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:23,839
where he says without opposition there's

1386
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:26,559
no progression so without sort of

1387
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:27,599
finding ways to challenge what you're

1388
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:28,640
thinking you're never going to push

1389
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:29,760
forward and i think that's what i really

1390
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,280
want to look at is kind of where's

1391
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:33,200
where's the opposite of what i think and

1392
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:34,480
what can i learn about why people

1393
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,960
believe that and then how that arms me

1394
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,079
for being better at challenging that

1395
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,640
when i find it elsewhere but also it

1396
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:42,240
just gives me that question of well am i

1397
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,599
right you know this person's got a

1398
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:45,280
totally different perspective i'm not

1399
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,400
going to challenge whether i think i'm

1400
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:47,680
right or whereas if i'm just talking to

1401
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,800
someone who agrees with me they're going

1402
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:50,400
to tell me all the things that i already

1403
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,920
know that we're just going to walk down

1404
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:53,920
the the logical pathways that i've

1405
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:55,119
walked down a million times in my own

1406
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:57,119
head and i'm just going to cement that

1407
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:58,240
path but we're not going to start

1408
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,599
exploring the undergrowth and i think

1409
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:01,359
that's what i really want to do wow okay

1410
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:02,640
look thank you very much for your time a

1411
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:03,760
bit disappointing i haven't got my

1412
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:04,960
answer on doctor who there but that's

1413
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:06,800
okay but i have i've worn a doctor who

1414
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,559
prop you have you have and you know what

1415
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,720
if you ever get to see mike in person

1416
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,000
ask him that question he'll give you

1417
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,920
half an hour of analyzing every single

1418
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:15,200
doctor because mike is the doctor who

1419
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:16,480
nerd mike is the one who can recite

1420
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,920
whole episodes

1421
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:19,839
line by line he's uh he's absolutely

1422
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:21,040
obsessed by it yes you've asked the

1423
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,400
wrong mic i think all right well next

1424
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:25,200
time i'm having a a a bill mega watch

1425
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,559
i've got the 590s 95 dvd box set i'll

1426
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:30,000
invite you over i'll be there i'll be

1427
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,119
there in fact last night it was the

1428
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:33,040
perfect antidote for uh the skeptics

1429
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:34,319
opening last night i went home and i had

1430
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,880
a bourbon and jfk conspiracy party at my

1431
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:39,359
place on my own oh wow oh jfk conspiracy

1432
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:40,640
i'd love to speak to someone who's a

1433
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,920
conspiracist for jfk that's a

1434
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,520
fascinating one oh look he didn't talk

1435
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,440
to my mate jay cat so richard spoken to

1436
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:47,040
him haven't you you had quite a

1437
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,280
discussion about the partial palm print

1438
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,680
on the rifle i believe i certainly did

1439
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:53,839
but let's not go there yeah not good

1440
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:56,000
okay and look get up there and give a

1441
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:57,520
talk there and i'm standing ovation

1442
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,640
you'll get one you'll get one and you'll

1443
00:51:01,589 --> 00:51:00,079
get free drinks later actually i'll have

1444
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,599
a one man standing ovation at least i

1445
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,960
can bank on me and outstanding that's

1446
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:04,640
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1447
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:06,640
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1452
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1466
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1476
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:47,920
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1477
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:50,640
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1488
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00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:17,359
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1490
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,319
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1496
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,319
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1497
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:36,480
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1498
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:38,000
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1499
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:40,079
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1500
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:42,240
brilliant anyway but the audio quality

1501
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00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:46,240
coming up on the skeptics on more of

1503
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1504
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:49,119
reporting from the australian skeptics

1505
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:51,040
national convention i'm hoping to catch

1506
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:52,720
up with people like jeannie scott in the

1507
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:55,119
bay area in san francisco bay area more

1508
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:57,200
joe alabaster in the coming weeks more

1509
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,240
heidi

1510
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,920
lots more of everything

1511
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,680
but until next week this is richard

1512
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:03,920
saunders signing off from sydney

1513
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,470
you've been listening to the skeptic

1514
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:12,000
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1515
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:19,589
for comments contacts and extra video

1516
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:31,349
who would we have on the phone but none

1517
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:33,040
other than carl cruz on this gig of

1518
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,559
morning carl good morning it's the young

1519
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:36,000
and lovely carl talking to the young and

1520
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,760
lovely mayard hey go easy with the

1521
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,359
compliments here carl look earlier this

1522
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,119
week i've visited a friend of mine and

1523
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:43,520
she is a dentist and she said try some

1524
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,960
of this and like i don't like to mention

1525
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,559
any names or anything and i was bringing

1526
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:48,240
this like funny gas in a medical

1527
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:49,839
cylinder and you know well i was having

1528
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,200
too much fun and the bells were ring in

1529
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,280
the head in no time this is a very fun

1530
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:55,599
gas now would this be the well-known

1531
00:55:00,790 --> 00:54:58,559
nitrous oxide yeah it's um traditionally

1532
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:00,800
beloved by dentists who have uh access

1533
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:02,480
to it right now is it okay if i go over

1534
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,760
to her place fairly often and breathe

1535
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,359
this nitrous oxide am i gonna die or

1536
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:07,920
what no your spine will collapse

1537
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,520
right that's pretty well much the same

1538
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:11,359
thing isn't it no what happens is that

1539
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,240
um

1540
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:14,160
after about 20 or 30 years of getting

1541
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:15,520
stuck into the nitrous i used to think

1542
00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:17,359
that originally that nitrous was in fact

1543
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,800
a perfectly benign harmless gas it came

1544
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,720
into your system dissolved in the blood

1545
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,400
dissolved out again immediately went out

1546
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:26,000
through your lungs gone no side effects

1547
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,599
no dissolving in fat they thought it was

1548
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,280
a wonderful drug

1549
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,760
and then they they finally came across a

1550
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:33,040
few dentists who'd been taking this

1551
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:35,040
stuff for 20 30 40 years every day after

1552
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,880
dinner and they found that they had

1553
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,880
collapsed vertebrae so all these

1554
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:40,160
dentists were falling down on the floor

1555
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,680
without notice and what's happened is

1556
00:55:44,790 --> 00:55:43,280
that the sides of the vertebrae which

1557
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,800
are normally parallel to each other

1558
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:46,720
collapse and they end up with a cut with

1559
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,200
a wedge shaped vertebra and sometimes

1560
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:50,880
they can just collapse totally this can

1561
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,200
cause great pain uh if it collapses it

1562
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:55,440
has to squeeze a few of the nerves uh

1563
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:57,520
and it certainly leads to immobility of

1564
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:58,799
the spine you know as flexible as it

1565
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,920
used to be and as well as that you're

1566
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:01,280
just sort of staring down at the ground

1567
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,640
all the time this is sort of can be

1568
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,480
self-induced by certain dentists so if

1569
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:06,400
we see like a humpback dentist we go up

1570
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,520
to him and say i know what you've been

1571
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:10,319
up to no you should say if i suspect

1572
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,319
what you've been doing you can't be sure

1573
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,960
knowledge is not absolute apart from

1574
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:16,400
religious knowledge

1575
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:18,000
i should keep going seeing my deadest

1576
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,599
friend and breathe as much nitrous oxide

1577
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:21,359
as i like if you want to have your spine

1578
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,799
collapse and you want to lose a few